Originally by: Ranger 1

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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/07/2010 22:10:55

Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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If, and only if, you are indeed stupid.

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Its not a question of if an individual is stupid or not. But its a fact that there are more than enough stupid people arround and CCP knows that. Its one thing to scam people out of there in game assets but an completly other withdraw real and paid gametime from the (stupid) players. Its almost like if you could lose your Windows licence by clicking on the wrong button.

PLEXs are paid game time. Removing them from the game in whatever way is not ok!

Elgaris.

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No GTC's are paid game time. A PLEX is simply an worthless icon ingame that allows you to sell or trade that time to another person. Once converted into a plex it is the same as any other ingame item.

If you wish to attach values associated with the real world cost of a GTC, then every item that you have ingame has a value in real money. That Hulk that just got ganked blew a $5 hole in your bank account. Because, by your reasoning, that Hulk could have converted into isk on the market and that would have covered part of the cost of a plex. However since ingame items have no value, and are in fact CCP property, Plex retain no real world value. Period.

On the other point, yes I am sure there are plenty of stupid people that will decide to move a Plex (despite all warnings). These are the same people that will lose the same "fictional value" as a plex many times over in other ingame assets due to the very same stupidity.

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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 09/07/2010 22:27:47

Originally by: Takashi Halamoto

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however fundamentally your position is CCP has a duty to prevent players from doing something stupidly dumb and pointless,

by that logic, CCP will have to trap in stations or ban half the paying customers until they are statisfied they wont fly a fail fit or autopilot through lowsec etc etc

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No, i think the fundamental misconception of CCP (and maybe you too) is that because a PLEX has a value equal to say a well fitted ship that it is the same thing to lose the ship or the PLEX. That is not that case. Even if the lost value is equal there are some fundamental differences:
- The ship can be replaced by ingame activity (gathering resources and rebuilding the ship or hubting NPCs for the lost modules). The PLEX can not be replaced by any ingame activity. Once its lost it has to be purchased again or its gone forever.
- The PLEX can be converted to gametime, which is a real life thing, the ship not. IF the PLEX is destroyed the paid gametime is gone too.


Maybe i should make an example.
Case 1)
Player A buys a GTC to convert it to PLEXs and sells them for isk to Player B. PLayer A buys a ship from that money and destroys it.
=> Player A has lost his ship but the paid gametime is still owned by Player B.
Case 2)
Player A buys a GTC to convert it to PLEXs and destroys them (in whatever way).
=> The gametime that has been paid for is gone. Neither Player A or PLayer B has it.

Elgaris.

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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Originally by: Cap II

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The fault in your statement is where you say that a plex cannot be replaced in game. Simply rat up 300mil isk and the plex is replaced.

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No you are wrong here. You can rat 300m but that does not replace the Ship. The Ship is gone. You can buy an other one from another player but the first one stays gone.
The only way to replave a Ship is to buy a miner and convert it into a rocks and build the ship.. There is no ingame source of ships.

Elgaris.

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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Originally by: siC0 b0b

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You convert GTC into a PLEX purely to legaly make ISK outside of the game, that's the reason this item was implemented. If you lose a PLEX to whatever reason, it's the same as losing an equal amount of ISK in any other way.

PLEX is only an item in the game that is valued in ingame currency and it rightfuly so is going to be treated as one. I'm inclined to believe that if CCP didn't incluce the part in their DevBlog about ragequitting, none of the complaining people would even speak up. This all sounds like an easily manipulated mob's rabble.

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That is what CCP tries to tell us but that is just not true, sorry.
The fact that you can convert the PLEX to gametime, which is nothing virtual but something very real, makes PLEXs a special thing.

Elgaris.

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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto

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so because i can turn a plex into gametime it is special even if i dont do so?

if so i can turn 300mil into a plex, into gametime, so 300mil is special,

if so i can turn a Carrier into 600mil isk into plex into gametime so a carrier is special


once you equate a thing with an isk cost to being special all things that can be converted into said isk and the isk itself must be special by extension,

you treat a plex as a potential energy of time, and that temporal potential as being special, thus all things must be special because all things are a potential of time,

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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Originally by: Cap II

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Tell me, is it painful to be this stupid? Because if it isn't, it should be.

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Well its obvious that you disagree with my statements, but maybe you could elaborate a bit more on why you think I am stupid, so I can learn from your greatness.

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Originally by: Elgaris Dukor

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Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 09/07/2010 23:15:59

Originally by: Takashi Halamoto

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so because i can turn a plex into gametime it is special even if i dont do so?

if so i can turn 300mil into a plex, into gametime, so 300mil is special,

if so i can turn a Carrier into 600mil isk into plex into gametime so a carrier is special


once you equate a thing with an isk cost to being special all things that can be converted into said isk and the isk itself must be special by extension,

you treat a plex as a potential energy of time, and that temporal potential as being special, thus all things must be special because all things are a potential of time,

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I say just because two things do have the same value doenst mean they are equal. As long as the PLEX stays intact there is indeed no difference but as soon as the PLEX gets destroys there is one.

It makes a difference if a PLEX or a 300m module gets destroyed. That is what i say. I explained the reasons some posts above.

Elgaris.

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